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Post by Amarynth on Jul 20, 2012 17:37:25 GMT -8
I just don't see what gives us the right to treat animals like this, all in the name of food...especially when there are other, more healthful things we can be eating.
Please do what you can: don't eat the corpse of a pig, complain to Walmart, don't shop there...
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Jul 20, 2012 17:53:16 GMT -8
This type of meat is cheap and relatively inexpensive for families who need the food.
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Post by King Wulfgar on Jul 20, 2012 20:07:58 GMT -8
Sorry Ama but I LOVE bacon, but as far as I'm concerned they can burn Walmart to the ground.
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Jul 20, 2012 20:16:42 GMT -8
but as far as I'm concerned they can burn Walmart to the ground. This I can agree with. Bastards and their shitty lack of stock. |
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Post by Amarynth on Jul 20, 2012 20:56:55 GMT -8
This type of meat is cheap and relatively inexpensive for families who need the food. I understand this, but a Veg/Vegan diet need not be expensive either...you can feed a family a meal with rice, beans and veggies relatively cheaply as well.  But if we as a society must kill these animals for our food, why must they be treated in such a way? I just don't understand it. If I remember correctly, the Native American's honor their food...and I don't think they would ever do anything so horrible as to castrate a baby piglet and rip its tail off without anything to dull the pain of doing so. And who would want to eat the corpse of an animal that has suffered with sores and infection? To me that's not quality...it's quantity and screw the rest. Shame on Walmart. |
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Jul 20, 2012 21:02:03 GMT -8
As I said, it's cheap and provides a large family with a meal. Vegetarian meals can start to become expensive.
Also, the beef industry adds a major economic support for the nation. If you disagree, I'm sure there are some boys out here who'd like to show you their family businesses.
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Post by Randalla on Jul 21, 2012 0:33:35 GMT -8
You guys seem to be missing the point here, did you even watch the video? I like meat and bacon and steak as much as the next carnivore, but seriously, there's a relatively humane way to slaughter your food. Slamming baby piglets on the ground by its hind legs and leaving them twitching in a corner in a pile of bloody quivering waste is fucking sick and wrong. God damn that was sick.
Yeah, the food chain exists, but there's no need for this kind of treatment. Justify slamming those piglets on the ground like that, go on, justify it. There IS no justification for that. Want some bacon? Shoot it between the eyes, clean it, cook it and eat it. But that?
I didn't even make it through that entire video and it was nauseating. If I knew there was a small time business that slaughtered their stock as humanely as possible, and they didn't go around slinging the babies against the concrete, or letting the food stock rot in their pens with festering wounds, I'd gladly patronize that company over one that does this kind of crap.
Bacon is tasty, I prefer sausage myself, but there's no need for the kinds of things that video shows. Do the dirty work that needs to be done, but don't be cruel about it.
The greatness of a society and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals.
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Jul 21, 2012 9:22:14 GMT -8
These types of incidents are usually isolated and rare. For example, in the beef industry, the videos are misleading. The cow is first shot in the head with a nail gun; quick, easy, painless. THEN, they hang them to bleed them out so it doesn't go bad.
Same thing with pork. These videos do show cruelty. But they are typically not what happen.
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Post by phaedron on Jul 21, 2012 11:06:58 GMT -8
As I said, it's cheap and provides a large family with a meal. Vegetarian meals can start to become expensive. Kidding me Max? Why are vegetarian meals expensive? Because this country subsidizes beef, pigs, chickens, and the garbage corn feed they give to those animals -- we have zero subsidy dollars for vegetables and other healthier foods, while continuing to spend taxpayer money on making things like High Fructose Corn Syrup cheaper. So no... this is not the fault of "the market". A large family could eat far more healthily if not for the corn lobby, the cattle lobby, the fast food lobby, and all those other rich people that have a vested interest in making sure poor people can only buy their crap food. These types of incidents are usually isolated and rare. How do you know? Do you have evidence to back up this assertion? BTW, I still eat meat... but I think there's a lot more awful animal cruelty out there in our food chain than either of us wants to believe. |
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Jul 21, 2012 11:16:59 GMT -8
Because I worked on a cow farm where we processed them. It doesn't happen like Michael Moore people would have us believe.
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Post by King Wulfgar on Jul 21, 2012 11:35:40 GMT -8
You guys seem to be missing the point here, did you even watch the video? No I actually did not watch it but I will now.  |
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Post by phaedron on Jul 21, 2012 11:57:19 GMT -8
Because I worked on a cow farm where we processed them. It doesn't happen like Michael Moore people would have us believe. Is it within the realm of possibility to venture that your farm may have had more ethical standards for treatment than others? Glad to hear you were part of a relatively "clean" farming operation, but something tells me that the truth lies somewhere in-between what the ultra-liberal vegans would have us believe and what the cattle ranchers association would have us believe. No? Michael Moore is a fear monger as much as Republican Senators are. I'll stick with actual observable data, thank you  |
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Jul 21, 2012 12:23:00 GMT -8
Of course the association protects everyone, but the majority of those follow proper procedure and standards. These types of videos are infrequent, and indeed unfortunate. Just like Al Qaeda does not represent Thr entirely of Islam, neither do these creeps represent honest agriculture. Those business men are usually under plenty of scrutiny from other organizations.
Example: a family friend of ours is a rancher. Now, these blabbers keep coming and spying on his operations. One cow happened to be pretty sick, and she lost weight. Well, these buggers reported it and because cattle must be a certain weight, they were fined. Now is that right?
In other news, when they returned to spy using a toy plane with a camera, his son got out the shotgun and blew it to hell.
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Post by phaedron on Jul 21, 2012 12:35:26 GMT -8
It's all part of a terrible culture encouraged by a lack of faith in our nation's ability to police itself. The solution for falling excellence in education? Spy on and fire teachers who "don't do their jobs". The solution for a failure in our nation's increasing reliance on large scale factory farms? Why, use radio control spy planes, of course. Stories in the news about nannies hurting babies? Install spy cameras in your own home.
It's a libertarian nightmare of our own creation. It's what we have been asking for, and now we have it, and we don't like it. Shocked is what I am.
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Jul 21, 2012 12:51:23 GMT -8
I agree to everything you said.
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