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Post by klausbarbie on Aug 27, 2012 11:38:17 GMT -8
I'm rushing off to class here and will have to read that more closely, Klaus, and understand it better. I would initially without further study argue say that since the bishop was qualified, he broke Canon Law by ordaining a woman. He definitely broke canon law Max , But sacraments can still be administered validly even if illegaly , As in the case of the SSPX priests and bishops . The question is was she VALIDLY ordained and does she now have the indelible mark of priesthood ?
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Aug 27, 2012 14:34:52 GMT -8
I would say no. Sacred Tradition trumps Canon Law, because Canon Law derives it's origin from ST.
Or have I jumped a logical step here or there?
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Post by Randalla on Aug 28, 2012 12:52:49 GMT -8
I've got a crap connection in the office today, so ima have to read the link when I get home. As amusing as it would be to watch you two vultures clamber over each other to try and convert me, I'm merely curious about many different religions and such. I've been curious about Buddhism, Wicca, Gnostic, agnostic, I'd even be interested in reading about the Koran, or anything else someone wants to bring up. I don't feel at home with any man made religion anymore, but it doesn't mean I can't be curious about em. So until I can read that link, do continue.
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Aug 28, 2012 12:56:38 GMT -8
Mr. Klaus, I think it's time to introduce Madam Patroness to the Good Doctor Aquinas. He has five ways to help you, Rand. Peter Kreeft, his loyal assistance, has an excellent summary for you as well.
Shall we, Mr. Klaus?
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Post by klausbarbie on Aug 28, 2012 13:18:31 GMT -8
Mr. Klaus, I think it's time to introduce Madam Patroness to the Good Doctor Aquinas. He has five ways to help you, Rand. Peter Kreeft, his loyal assistance, has an excellent summary for you as well. Shall we, Mr. Klaus? Nahhh , We should just burn her as a witch . Regarding your previous post , You are missing a step with regards to Sacred Tradition and Canon Law . re-read the definition of Valid but illicit mate
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Aug 28, 2012 14:02:19 GMT -8
Are you sure? I really do think she'd get a kick out of Aquinas. The Five Ways are pretty damn convincing.
Or shall we present Pascal's Wager? I think that'd be more advisable.
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Post by Randalla on Aug 29, 2012 10:52:38 GMT -8
Nahhh , We should just burn her as a witch .
LMAOOOOOO I literally LoL'd. Considering I'm not "out" to my coworkers (yes, you guys are that special), that would have taken some explaining.
Although, they are my coworkers, they know what a nut I am without even knowing I'm an abomination to boot. Lmao
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Post by ConRed on Aug 29, 2012 12:34:35 GMT -8
abomination? Like the snow man!?!?
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Post by klausbarbie on Aug 29, 2012 13:03:09 GMT -8
Nahhh , We should just burn her as a witch . LMAOOOOOO I literally LoL'd. Considering I'm not "out" to my coworkers (yes, you guys are that special), that would have taken some explaining. Although, they are my coworkers, they know what a nut I am without even knowing I'm an abomination to boot. Lmao You are no abomination Rand , A nut yes , Abomination NO
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Aug 29, 2012 13:14:27 GMT -8
As Klaus said, you are no more an abomination than any other person. Because, sometimes, man can be abominable.
But usually, we are the greatest design in the Great Design.
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Post by klausbarbie on Aug 29, 2012 13:16:03 GMT -8
As Klaus said, you are no more an abomination than any other person. Because, sometimes, man can be abominable. But usually, we are the greatest design in the Great Design. Please elaborate , I don't quite understand
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Aug 29, 2012 13:18:33 GMT -8
Sin is an abomination, for sin is the origin of moral evil.
Therefore, Satan, the Father of Sin, is the ultimate abomination. Human beings can, and many times do, sin. By sinning, we become abominations.
Through God's mercy and grace, and His sacrament of Reconciliation, we are forgiven, and brought back into the Salvation of Man.
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Post by klausbarbie on Aug 29, 2012 13:20:31 GMT -8
Sin is an abomination, for sin is the origin of moral evil. Therefore, Satan, the Father of Sin, is the ultimate abomination. Human beings can, and many times do, sin. By sinning, we become abominations. Through God's mercy and grace, and His sacrament of Reconciliation, we are forgiven, and brought back into the Salvation of Man. Thankyou for that , I now understand
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Aug 29, 2012 13:24:03 GMT -8
Always happy to oblige.
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Post by Randalla on Aug 29, 2012 15:28:26 GMT -8
Still made me LMAO
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