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Post by BigKif on Feb 6, 2013 7:24:17 GMT -8
Got a chuckle out of that one Cerr. We don't agree on this issue, but definitely humorous. Personally, my deer rifle only holds 5 shots. And I have never had to use the whole clip.
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Post by phaedron on Feb 6, 2013 15:50:08 GMT -8
Personally, my deer rifle only holds 5 shots. And I have never had to use the whole clip. That's because you're a real hunter, not a crazy person who thinks the government is going to come get them and that their arsenal could possibly stop that from happening, and not someone who is about to shoot up a movie theater or school. Congrats on being a responsible gun owner, and I want you to be able to keep your guns. Again, God forbid we treat guns like cars and license them in a similar manner. Also, I can't go around main street carrying a katana, but as long as you have a CCP, you can carry your gun? What's fair about that? And I do mean a sheathed katana. If you want to know how many times I've been stopped for carrying around an effing boken (practice wooden katana) down the street to my dojo, I've lost count at this point. All because I can't HIDE that weapon. So guns get special status because you can hide the small ones? How effed is that? If you had to show me your gun at all times, at least I've got a chance of positioning myself to cut you in half before you notice me and can get a shot off. Seems you're scared of my katana, Rand
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Post by Cerridwyn on Feb 6, 2013 17:39:52 GMT -8
Well said. Many years ago when I played SCA a lot, we got pulled over for a broken tail light. I can tell you the trunk was full of weapons, swords (real and practice) and maces etc. The cop told us if we had been guys, he'd have arrested us! Yer right, it's not fair at all. And as the ORIGINAL quote went, "They can have my broadsword when they pry it from my cold dead hands."
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Post by Randalla on Feb 6, 2013 18:23:04 GMT -8
Isn't that a claymore?
And why would I be afraid of a katana?
Also also, you may not "need" more than 5 rounds at a time to hunt, though I don't really have a lot of heartburn if a hunter wants to load more than that even just to hunt with. But you damn well may need more than that if you're accosted or your home is invaded by more than one scumbag, or even if the one scumbag doesn't stop moving after you've fired 6 shots.
You guys like your swords, and you don't like when you get harassed for having or transporting them. After all, you're reasonable, law abiding people, you're not going to go out hacking people into little pieces with your swords.
But nobody really NEEDS a sword. You certainly don't NEED a blade over 6" long. And if you want one, you should have to take a written test and background check first just to be able to buy one. All sales, public, private and even through immediate relatives, must be made through a licensed dealer. And you don't need to buy more than one every 30 days, but if you do want to buy more than one, you should have to go through a background check for each and every purchase, and wait for the 10 day hold to be able to pick your sword up after you've paid for it. For every sword you buy, you must also have to buy a secure lock, cable or case to store it in.
Oh and if you do want to transport and carry one in public, you should have to have a bladed weapon permit, which you'll need a birth certificate, social security card, two other forms of ID, proof of residence, a background check and cash or a check in the amount of $159 to obtain. Your application for said permit will include a "good cause" statement, where you must explain why you want to be able to transport and carry your swords, and ONLY the swords (up to 4) you list on your application by make, model and serial number may be carried. And if you brandish it or if even a small portion of the blade is revealed even by accident, you can be arrested and criminally charged and have your permit revoked.
Did I miss anything?
Edit: Oh yeah, forgot that some sexist, conservative hillbilly sheriff can deny your application if he woke up on the wrong side of the bed that particular morning. Or if he doesn't think chicks have any business carrying swords.
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Post by King Wulfgar on Feb 6, 2013 21:38:38 GMT -8
LOL !
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Post by Cerridwyn on Feb 7, 2013 4:51:25 GMT -8
I'll be happy to get a license, go to class and get liability insurance to be able to carry it openly. Sounds like a good deal to me.
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Post by Randalla on Feb 7, 2013 7:30:35 GMT -8
Yah, well so am I, but some people still insist on neutering my right to own and carry, and still insist on neutering my magazine capacity to 10 rounds. 7 in NY.
With California mentality, you might be able to buy a gladius, but not a claymore. Or features like a blood groove or a basket hilt would turn a normal sword into an assault sword, so it would be banned, too. And your blade length would be limited to 18".
And every single time some nutcase stabs someone else, politicians and other anti-sword nuts try to use it as an excuse to make the swords you already own illegal, and to ultimately confiscate them.
After all, swords are obsolete, nobody needs them anymore, anyway. They're made with the expressed purpose of killing people. They serve absolutely no other purpose.
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Post by Cerridwyn on Feb 7, 2013 17:31:23 GMT -8
Yes they do
They are sexy.
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Post by Randalla on Feb 7, 2013 17:35:49 GMT -8
::Facepalm::
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Post by phaedron on Feb 8, 2013 9:55:48 GMT -8
They already limit knife size on planes, in schools, and in government buildings you can't have them at all. Knives are mini (hideable) swords. Carrying a concealed knife on the street of certain types and certain sizes in some states will earn you a trip to lockup.
No, it's not much different, except that with a gun, I can be 100s of yards away from you and kill you. With a knife, you've gotta catch me first.
And for the record, knives and swords have been used for purposes other than killing things for quite some time -- whereas only target practice seems to be the non-killing use for guns. We eat with knives, we cut various crafts with knives, we unpack things with knives -- claymores used to be used in a pinch to chop wood in a cold winter if your axe went stolen (of course then you probably killed the guy who stole your axe). Swords are also used for katas / weapons forms in the martial arts, which involve grace, dexterity, and balance... not standing with your legs at shoulder width and squeezing off rounds -- I mean I know pulling that trigger takes effort and all, but it's not exercise like a sword form.
So actually, the difference is kinda bigger than one might think.
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Post by Cerridwyn on Feb 8, 2013 17:19:54 GMT -8
/me woots Phae
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Post by Amarynth on Feb 8, 2013 19:47:11 GMT -8
"But nobody really NEEDS a sword."--RandEver watch that NBC show Revolution? Billy Burke is pretty kick ass with his sword; and don't ever tell a Rennie they don't NEED their sword. I would feel absolutely naked without my weapons at the Ren Faire; and yes, I am required to keep my dagger/sword peace tied...I'm not complaining. How else am I to fend off marauding pirates and rogues with indecent intentions?? I like swords. And Phae, I like you because you like swords. I just kicked up your karma for that... Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike guns...I just despise what they are being used for in recent years, months...to prey on innocent people and children.
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Post by Randalla on Feb 8, 2013 21:05:44 GMT -8
Do you guys see what I was doing there? I know all this about swords and knives, I like them, myself. I'd probably collect them, too, if I had space for 'em. I know their other uses, historical and modern. And I know that some folks just plain like to have them.
That's how we feel about our guns. We're CONSTANTLY having to put up with that same kind of stuff the grabbers spout off, whether they also know a lick of what they're talking about or not. Thanks to people and politicians who don't even know what difference a pistol grip makes or not, or what a barrel shroud is, or what the REAL purpose of a suppressor is (it's not a silencer, by the way), we have to constantly try to re-educate people about those things we have a right to possess, in order to fight back against the propaganda that's being force fed down everyone's throats by the hyper liberal media (and hyper retarded, hyper corrupt politicians). We have to defend ourselves and our rights from these kinds of so-called arguments all the time, and the ones I presented about your sharp pointy playthings are just as silly, inaccurate and uneducated as some of the ridiculous things that have been thrown into the ring about guns.
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Post by Cerridwyn on Feb 9, 2013 6:52:17 GMT -8
Yes and no.
Many years ago, a woman wrote a serious of books about a planet called Darkover. Settled by people from Earth and forgotten/lost, they interbred with the natives and developed psychic powers that were tremendous and violent and they almost destroyed their world. (Sorta like the cold war and WOMD)
Their solution was unique. They took war back to the level of the sword. Why? Because to fight an opponent you had to risk getting skewered yourself.
Guns are unique in that a good sniper can kill from so far away. And kill so many before any one can get close to them. That is why they are much more dangerous.
You've laughed at me before when I've said that a good Ninja type (no matter what their origin) could stand up against someone with a gun any day. Why? Because the reply on their own skills and not that of their weapon.
Why I think guns in the hands of guards at schools are useless:
Okay, I hate guns but if there were armed guards at a place I wanted to go shoot people at I would pay attention to where they are and when they are. There is really no such thing as random when you are doing something monotonous. Then I would pick a place where I could do the most damage and make sure I went in when the guards were as far away as I could. I wound imagine with a semi-automatic and 100 rounds of ammo, I could use them all before someone got close enough to me to kill me. (Or I could take out one of the guards first)
Many that's cause I'm smarter than most of those who do shit lit like this. I don't know know. I just thank the Lord and Lady every day that I no longer have school age children and that my daughter intends to remain a DINK all of her life.
For those of you who don't know what I do in the daytime, I work in Home Health Care. I'm a nurse. On a listserv I subscribe to yesterday, someone asked if others allow their nurses to carry guns. My reply was No, in fact it would be grounds for immediate termination. Now I expect Rand to come back with how the gun would protect them. Personally, I'm not afraid, in most cases, to go in any home to provide care. Generally, even in gang neighborhoods you are safe because you are there for one of their homeboys. Bring in a gun, and oh, trust me, your dead meat.
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Post by phaedron on Feb 9, 2013 10:52:57 GMT -8
What Cerd said: We were using the comparison to swords because the restrictions on swords are similiar, and yet they are harder to conceal deadly ones, and you have to get really close to make a kill.
TBH, a gun is a coward's weapon. You can snipe someone (as what happened in DC many years back) from hundreds of yards away -- would anyone having a Glock .40 have stopped the beltway sniper? NO. He was hiding in a van where you couldn't see him, acting like an effing coward. If he had to kill with a sword, at least he'd have to put himself in harm's way.
If I did hunt, I would do so with a bow with no effing laser sight on it. "Wow, look at that, I killed an animal with a scope and a direct-fire instant weapon." -- sooooo impressive. I understand tracking is a real skill, being quiet enough to approach is a real skill, but compared to how our ancestors hunted? A gun makes the process sooooo much easier.
And in terms of giving school guards guns? Just ask me about where I was on 9/11 (in a school district), and what the school police officer said to everyone "WE are under attack!", and the mass hysteria it created IN MASSACHUSETTS. Everyone thought it was a school shooting -- all because the cop didn't do his job right. Ah yes, let's give those Grade-B police officers guns -- I'm sure nothing bad will happen.
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