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Post by doornail on Mar 25, 2012 21:28:31 GMT -8
mhmm, here's another that you may find interesting
The sad part in all of this is that the American people are being lied to and have been for many years, there are crooks in just about every corner(not all) of our government.
follow the money and you'll find the crooks, there's much more info out there..it's mind blowing and a slap in the face to every tax paying American, what has been going on and whoever in the hell is running the show has the main stream media in thier pocket aswell as other governments of the world.
edit...I expect another terrorist attack, a racial war, a war with Iran or anything to keep the people asleep to what's really going on..they know if the American people wake up and unite, we'll throw thier asses out and bring this country back to what our founding fathers had in mind. please wake up and look for the truth, they piled on a mountain of debt for us and our children, we owe it to them and future generations to fix it before it's too late, if it isn't already.
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Post by doornail on Mar 25, 2012 22:44:00 GMT -8
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-panthers-offer-10000-bounty-to-catch-trayvon-killer-7584949.html c/p c/p why isn't this radical group being declared domestic terrorists? you cannot put a hit out on somebody in public like this, it's horrible that a young life was taken, but that's why we have the Courts to uphold the law. this is where I got the "racial civil war" mentioned in my previous posts..look at the tention between the US and Iran, I mean who gives a shit that they build a nuke?, they wont use it on us anyway, the same was said about N.Korea and they've tested 3 nukes. It's all a scam to keep us at war and invading other countries wile the ones in charge reap the rewards/money/control, wile our soldiers die and the rest of the world continues to hate our actions of invading other countries..the people of Iran don't hate us, but just like Iraq and Afganistan, they will. It's the corruption of governments all around the world pulling the strings for the rest of us, it's time for it to stop!
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Post by Randalla on Mar 25, 2012 23:08:37 GMT -8
Same group that never got prosecuted for voter intimidation a few years back. It really is ridiculous what this group is able to get away with. I doubt we'll see any action taken against them this time, either.
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Post by doornail on Mar 25, 2012 23:24:59 GMT -8
right, there wont be anything done to them but denounced by a few.. thier leader should be arrested.
I added a video link to the bottom of my last post, it's a bit scary but at the same time pisses me off because of what's been going on under our noses for years, I'll just add it here too.
alot of things that we've been told is lies! I just seen a new video of the JFK assassination recently showing another rifleman.
I also watched a vid recently that convinced me that 911 was also a lie..planes make air turbulance, it's like a horizontal tornado that starts at the tip of each wing, they stay in the air for several min..there was no turbulance at the 911 explosions, there were no planes! here it is..there was 200,000 tons of gold under the WTC, it vanished.
Oklahoma City, Iranian terrorists in our country..it's all lies to control us
look up "chemtrails" and "geneticlly modified food"...the geneticly modified food is what is killing the bees!! it's insane how all this is being done and most don't even have a clue.
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Post by Randalla on Mar 26, 2012 0:01:22 GMT -8
I don't buy into the 911 conspiracy thing, but I did watch the clip to see what it was saying. The tornadoes it talks about form behind the plane, after it's already passed. The smoke from the first impact was in front of the second plane, and the explosion itself from impact, at the sight of impact, wouldn't have been effected from the vortices created behind the plane...
WTC had been a target for years.
Yes, I think government is corrupt as hell. Yes, I think people should scrutinize and criticize. But be careful going too far one way or the other. Ask the families of the people who were on those planes and in those buildings.
I am interested in alternative theories and footage, though. And end days interpretations. I think I'll start up another thread for that, and we can get back to heckling the Republican candidates in this thread. ;D
Back on track here, lemme go open up those other threads real quick....
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Post by doornail on Mar 26, 2012 2:05:53 GMT -8
lol, ok Rand..sorry I got a little carried away here I guess it comes from the thinking that the election was already set, making the outcome to favor the powers that wish to control us and taking away our freedoms. as far as the vortices being behind the plane, those planes were supposedly traveling and 500+ MPH, that turbulance couldn't just stop abruptly. It would have to follow and show up in the explosions. ontopic, if I had to choose a canidate it would probably be Newt, with that crazy guy that always runs, but never wins guy in a close second.
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Post by phaedron on Apr 10, 2012 13:13:20 GMT -8
www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57411949-503544/rick-santorum-ends-bid-for-gop-nomination/Ding, dong, the evil Santorum is gone. Now we can all enjoy while Mitt Romney, the John Kerry of the Republican Party, tanks his way to a loss against President Obama. I have no particular love for Mr. Obama, but considering the Republicans couldn't muster a candidate I don't have a visceral disgust for, looks like he has my vote, barring some wonderfully-mastered 3rd party candidacy that no one really has a chance at.
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Apr 10, 2012 19:34:39 GMT -8
Damn you, Phae. I knew you would bring this back from the grave. You do this to spite me!
I literally shed a tear when this happened. Mind you; only one! But I was disheartened.
I'd like to share a piece of an article written by Joe Klein, a Time Magazine columnist(?), who you would not expect to speak highly of Santorum.
Perhaps he is too good of a man to be president.
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Post by phaedron on Apr 11, 2012 11:24:02 GMT -8
All for you Max Having a sick daughter doesn't make you a good president. No one is going to say Rick Santorum isn't a good father, that would be absolutely heartless, regardless of political party. His daughter has a genetic disease, and, to his credit, he's taken care of her the best he possibly can. That still doesn't make him any less of a misogynist or a bigot in my mind... it just makes him a good father. This man would still assume lead only the Christian citizens of this country who practice his particular brand of intolerance for women's rights, homosexual rights, immigration, education and professional educators, unions, sick people who aren't as fortunately wealthy as his family, etc. etc. That's not what a President does. He would be AT BEST another George W. Bush, and at worst, he could have completely ruined this country. I'm all set with that thanks. Again: Being a good father doesn't make you a good president.
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Apr 11, 2012 17:12:30 GMT -8
All for you Max Having a sick daughter doesn't make you a good president. No one is going to say Rick Santorum isn't a good father, that would be absolutely heartless, regardless of political party. His daughter has a genetic disease, and, to his credit, he's taken care of her the best he possibly can. That still doesn't make him any less of a misogynist or a bigot in my mind... it just makes him a good father. This man would still assume lead only the Christian citizens of this country who practice his particular brand of intolerance for women's rights, homosexual rights, immigration, education and professional educators, unions, sick people who aren't as fortunately wealthy as his family, etc. etc. That's not what a President does. He would be AT BEST another George W. Bush, and at worst, he could have completely ruined this country. I'm all set with that thanks. Again: Being a good father doesn't make you a good president. Thank you for recognizing him as an incredible person. But, I'll get on with my shtuff. It's interesting: I had really only thought the unreasonable people take the "higher" moral ground to try and subdue opponents with valid opinions. How can a man who loves his female daughter (daughterS, I should say), love his wife, love Mary the mother of God, be a misogynist? It's a false and unfair label. Intolerance? Please, explain how I, or any other true Christian, are intolerable to woman. Please explain how we hate homosexuals. Hate immigrants. Hate education. (I can't TOTALLY refute the union, because in a way, I do kinda hate them. They serve their purpose, but they've become a menace.) Hate sick people. That is not the Christian principle, and your labeling of Mr. Santorum as such is ridiculous. I think he would have phenomenally led the country to a stage of incredible heights. And, while I see your point, being a good father does make you better leader, especially a president.
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Post by phaedron on Apr 11, 2012 17:30:31 GMT -8
It's interesting: I had really only thought the unreasonable people take the "higher" moral ground to try and subdue opponents with valid opinions. How can a man who loves his female daughter (daughterS, I should say), love his wife, love Mary the mother of God, be a misogynist? It's a false and unfair label. You can say you believe in Mary the mother of God, and still say that women don't have a right to end a life growing inside them on completely separate grounds. Mr. Santorum has stated a desire to force women through secular law to bring fetuses who are the product of incest or rape to full term. How does that respect women? No woman I've ever met wants a reminder of being forced to have sex against their will again forced to bring that reminder into this world. And yes, I'm aware that you'll come back and talk to me about the sanctity of life, but then we can discuss how women could also be forced to bring babies to term with horrible genetic deformations and who would be in mind-searing pain for their entire (if short) lives. See above. "Marriage is defined as being between one man and one woman." Defined by whom? God apparently. Problem is, not everyone believes in Christian God. If homosexual couples aren't afforded every right under the law in a consensual, loving marriage, then you're saying they are less citizens than heterosexual couples. Again, secular law in a nation with no official religion. Doesn't Mr. Santorum support putting a physical wall between the U.S. and Mexico, but not the U.S. and Canada? Which has become the bigger menace, unions, or the Federal Government in its perpetual quest to deprofessionalize the job of the teacher? National standardized tests are a joke, and they aren't the product of unions. Here's a hint, I don't have health insurance. I am sick, but I can't afford health insurance. I wouldn't be able to afford it unless the U.S. adopts a single-payer system. Mr. Santorum seems perfectly happy with the current system of privatized healthcare. This is a necessary but not sufficient condition. If a man is a bad father, he'll almost definitely be a terrible president. If a man is a good father, he may or may not be a good president.
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Apr 11, 2012 18:23:36 GMT -8
You can say you believe in Mary the mother of God, and still say that women don't have a right to end a life growing inside them on completely separate grounds. Mr. Santorum has stated a desire to force women through secular law to bring fetuses who are the product of incest or rape to full term. How does that respect women? No woman I've ever met wants a reminder of being forced to have sex against their will again forced to bring that reminder into this world. And yes, I'm aware that you'll come back and talk to me about the sanctity of life, but then we can discuss how women could also be forced to bring babies to term with horrible genetic deformations and who would be in mind-searing pain for their entire (if short) lives. You're so clever, trying to stop my argument before I give it.
How does that respect women? How does that respect life in general? Are you truly willing to murder something so innocent due in fact to rape/incest? Which is worse, my friend? You cannot justify an evil with an evil.
Have you watched the documentary 180? A very powerful video. Also, I say this: am I allowed to murder my brother if he is in intense pain? No, I think not.See above. I have, and I was not impressed. Realize that with a person like Santorum, he not only honors Mary, but probably loves her beyond any logical reason. We realize without women, we are completely nothing. They are the nurturing factor in all human history. We cannot ignore this role. To call all Christians, especially Santorum, is wrong."Marriage is defined as being between one man and one woman." Defined by whom? God apparently. Problem is, not everyone believes in Christian God. If homosexual couples aren't afforded every right under the law in a consensual, loving marriage, then you're saying they are less citizens than heterosexual couples. Again, secular law in a nation with no official religion. Yes, defined by God, but also by nature (which Christians believe to be one and the same, but I'm separating the two for the argument). What is purpose of ANY species of creature? Any scientist would tell you would be to survive, adapt, and carry on. We carry on and survive via procreation. That is our primary purpose! To create life. Homosexuality is a directly opposite obstacle to this.
Please note, since the focus of this argument is Santorum, that he does not hate homosexual people or think they are inferior (nor do I). We do not judge the person; we judge the sin. Homosexual people are not bad people! Their just people! So many times numerous critics think Christians have this complete hate for a gay man or woman. If they took the time to look, we actually use the Christian principle (love the sinner, hate the sin).
Santorum was asked what would happen if his son was gay. He said, "I would love him as much as I did the second before he said it. And I would try to do everything I can to be as good a father to him as possible." Not the opinion of a gay hater.Doesn't Mr. Santorum support putting a physical wall between the U.S. and Mexico, but not the U.S. and Canada? Hey! Not a bad idea. (I say that without ANY racisim. I will modify this statement if someone proves to me the following statement is wrong: the Mexico-US border is far more dangerous and is known to have a much higher influx of dangerous persons thatn the Canada-US border.) Also, if I remember right, his father (grandfather?) was an immigrant. I see no hate there.Which has become the bigger menace, unions, or the Federal Government in its perpetual quest to deprofessionalize the job of the teacher? National standardized tests are a joke, and they aren't the product of unions. I would say their both equally guilty of two different crimes. The Feds ruined education. The unions further ruined the reputation of education.Here's a hint, I don't have health insurance. I am sick, but I can't afford health insurance. I wouldn't be able to afford it unless the U.S. adopts a single-payer system. Mr. Santorum seems perfectly happy with the current system of privatized healthcare. I haven't fully checked the stance, but I don't think "current system" would be adequate.This is a necessary but not sufficient condition. If a man is a bad father, he'll almost definitely be a terrible president. If a man is a good father, he may or may not be a good president. Touche. But I do think to be a good president, you must be a good father. So, he's got that qualification, and many more.
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Post by doornail on Apr 11, 2012 20:27:14 GMT -8
you've got to watch this, another example of Hope and Change? what an embarrassment to this country
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Apr 11, 2012 20:43:07 GMT -8
Even though I think that was highly edited, I'll bite:
Isn't that called plagiarism?
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Post by doornail on Apr 11, 2012 21:42:03 GMT -8
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