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Post by Randalla on Mar 26, 2012 0:05:43 GMT -8
Here we go, spun off from some conversation in the other political thread, let's see some more of those conspiracies! 911 is a very tender subject, please remember to discuss it, even bringing up the conspiracy theories surrounding it respectfully in regards to the lives that were lost and the families that were effected--no matter which side you believe. All alternative theories, remember to keep it civil. Moon landing? Aliens? JFK? Other government cover-ups?
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Post by doornail on Mar 26, 2012 3:40:20 GMT -8
I realize that many people died that day and the days after, I can relate to the grief caused by the murderous actions of the terrorists that did it. Two family members of mine joined the military directly due to what happened on 911, one of them came home in a coffin with a flag draped over it. William G. Bowling was his name, we called him by his middle name "Glenn". He was a bright young man with 2 kids and a wife(one child he hadn't seen yet), he was due home within a few months from his 3rd tour in Iraq. He didn't smoke or drink and joined the Army because he was a patriot, all my memories of him were good and he was kin to me in blood. At his funeral I asked some soldiers there that knew him "what had happened to him" .They said there was one IED, injuring some soldiers and Glenn and his crew went to help, when they got there a second IED went off. militarytimes.com/valor/army-spc-william-g-bowling/2670941He probably would want me to do this for the same reason he joined the Army, so that others can have a better life. here's a vid of 911 with people decribing secondary explosions before the towers fell. here's another showing the plane going through the building at the end. here's one I didn't even know about untill today, evedently they let these guys go after finding a van full of explosives? the lack of wake turbulance video another vid of people that tried to expose the truth An aluminium plane wont go through concrete and steel, air turbulance lasts for several min, there was 200,000 tons of gold in the WTC, it vanished..there were many "highjackers", how come we only seen 6 of them? when everyone knows that when you go to an airport, there are cameras everywhere..where is the camera footage for the rest of the "highjackers"? open your mind and try to see past the lies, this was a sick/discusting act against us and the people that lost thier lives will never be forgotten, the ones who done it will never be forgiven.
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Mar 26, 2012 4:40:16 GMT -8
I will watch them later in order to diffuse them.
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Post by doornail on Mar 26, 2012 8:13:23 GMT -8
NASA released this pic awile back showing some type of structure on the moon, here's the original pic link. The pic on the desk is what you want to see, zoom in on it. The original pic is quite large and high def. www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/images/content/393894main_ACD09-0220-089_full.jpghere's a zoomed in pic edit..I heard they bombed this area of the moon, why would they send a bomb to this exact location??
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Post by Randalla on Mar 26, 2012 9:39:30 GMT -8
Hadn't heard about that one. The image on the big monitor behind the guy's right arm on the uncropped jpg might show more? I can't see it well on the phone.
Only structure I heard about was some ginormous hangar structure on mars. I'll see if I still have that YouTube link when I get home, if it's even still up.
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Post by doornail on Mar 27, 2012 7:08:17 GMT -8
Hadn't heard about that one. The image on the big monitor behind the guy's right arm on the uncropped jpg might show more? I can't see it well on the phone. Only structure I heard about was some ginormous hangar structure on mars. I'll see if I still have that YouTube link when I get home, if it's even still up. I can't make anything out of the area past his arm, it's out of focus and PS wont sharpen it. about Mars, have seen some interesting pics like the pyramids and some pics that look like cities and forests too..so does that answer the question of "are we alone in the universe?" Could the powers that be, be holding technology that could better our lives and free us from our dependancy of oil?
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Mar 27, 2012 18:56:10 GMT -8
Here's my thing on conspiracies. Conspiracy nuts are the exact same as people who put full faith into the government, just on the other end of the spectrum.
Conspiracies, by definition, cannot be proven/disproven without full disclosure from the source of the conspiracy--in this case the government. Because the government isn't too keen on letting people read it's top priority project, you can never prove or disprove the conspiracy.
Therefore, those people who cling to conspiracies as truth are blind to reason. Because they cannot be proven you cannot claim them as truth. You cannot say:
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Now, don't get me wrong. I don't trust the government as far as I could throw it, and right now, it's pretty damn heavy. We should always be critical of our government and always ask questions. That is the role of the responsible citizen. But to believe that Uncle Sam always has something behind his back in every situation is ridiculous.
In my opinion, conspiracies are for bored individuals between election cycles.
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Post by doornail on Mar 27, 2012 23:07:23 GMT -8
That's what we've all been programed to think, that dear old Uncle Sam is always looking out for our best interests, to provide security and not interfere with certain parts of our lives. Wile the distractions of the main stream media continue to occupy our minds with threats like racial war/civil unrest, terrorism and nuclear posturing from other countries, wile the gov slowly and descretely continues to push laws through that take away freedom and liberty. Sure, some conspiracies are pretty far out there and very difficult to believe that our own people could kill thousands, or deny us technology that could help so many around the world. But, when you take into consideration the motive that can produce such atrocities against our friends and neigbors. There's only one word that comes to mind...greed There's plenty of paid "debunkers" out there that have equally as much info to debunk the conspiracies, they have to or the ones responcible would be in prison, if not infront of a firing squad. The 911 one is disturbing to me, I don't want to believe that it was done by anyone else besides the ones that were accused, but that's just a few vids, there are many more..too many actually and if just one of them is true, then we really are a bunch of sheep and are easily fooled.
There's too much going on these days as far as global events to not notice something is happening, what that is has yet to reveil itself, wile many things are being kept from the public and it's understandable, the public will go nuts. When you say "I wouldn't trust the government as far as I could throw it" , that tells me you don't totally believe what you're told to believe, which is a step towards waking up. As far as the moon pic, it could've been an accidental release or a discrete intentional disclosure, but I really doubt that it's a square rock with a triangle shaped rock next to it and we all know that NASA is forbidden to release anything that could scare the public, so ofcourse it'll be denied as anything that might discredit the ones that want nothing more than to control our future. These two are just the tip of the iceburg, there are several more and some of them are pretty upsetting, especially when alot of what we've been told and taught all our lives is lies and BS, mostly all for that mighty dollar. It's kinda saddening because we could've been a much greater people.
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Post by doornail on Mar 27, 2012 23:53:25 GMT -8
Not sure if this vid is a conspiracy, it's about remote viewing and is kinda scary, the vid is 40min long but worth it.. enjoy Revelation 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of the trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. edit.. added pic of recent CME(coronal mass ejection)..which is what the vid is about "The Kill Shot"
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Post by Randalla on Mar 28, 2012 0:43:00 GMT -8
Crap, 1:40 am for me already, I can't watch a clip that long at the moment. You know what they say about people who predict the end of the world. Ya only have to be right once. Speaking of, don't forget to add a few cents worth about that, too!
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Post by doornail on Mar 28, 2012 9:30:05 GMT -8
OMG!!, IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!! lol, nah I'm just kidding ;D of all the stuff I've been looking at, nobody is actually claiming that the world is going to end(which is good). Maybe the end of the world as we know it, like no communication/no electricity, which would also mean that obtaining water, food and gas would be difficult if not impossible to get. here's a pic of the known near earth asteroids that most certainly could change the planet, if one was to hit. Pic is from www.spaceweather.com/Again, the one that passed on March 26 wasn't in the news untill after it had passed, so if you think the gov is going to warn us of a collision with the planet, don't hold your breath. Altho you could bet everything you own that the powers that be will be in thier underground bunkers before one strikes.
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Post by Darkslayer on Mar 28, 2012 9:59:03 GMT -8
The real threat is Russia making a pact with Iran. And then Russia attacking Israel.
Max, ever read the books by Joel C. Rosenburg? Amazing, action books based on prophecy. You won't believe how awesome these books are until you read them.
A chilling thing about them is that the things he wrote about are coming true.
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Mar 28, 2012 19:03:51 GMT -8
I do not. I tend to avoid most books. I generally get upset at the blindness of conspiracy theorists themselves.
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Post by doornail on Mar 29, 2012 12:06:10 GMT -8
haven't read any of his books either, but a quick internet search revealed that he's not a conspiracy theorist nor claims to be any kind of prophet.
plus I fail to see how seeking the truth and doubting the words of one source can be labeled as "blind", even scientific discoveries/theories must be tested and confirmed before it becomes science fact.
your definition of blind is backwards, it's ignorance that denies all sources of information and it is not knowing that is blind
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Post by Maximillian Thorton on Mar 29, 2012 14:42:11 GMT -8
That's the thing. You have already determined that what you think you've "discovered" as truth. That is not seeking the truth: you have a predetermined and biases view. If you were to approach this as a scientist you would first examine all the information, with no opinion or bias, then make a rational decision and conclusion. Instead, you preach this as absolute with no true, reliable, or credible evidence.
This is nothing but a complete and total lack of faith in the American enterprise. This is not citizenry inquiry, but hate if all government.
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